How to Detect Misrepresentation in JOBS (UPDATES)
Posted on November 10, 2007
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UPDATE (on 10 Nov): After my text message at around midnight, which I repeat, “Searched the internet which pointd out to a NuSkin enterprise a part of Pharmanex. Oh yes i hv read about NuSkin which are great products but i am not cut our for sales. Can you pls tell me the name of yr company?”, I got a text response at 3 am:
“It’s not all about sales, lets just meet so u cud finally understand the whole information. U can’t make a dcision out of bits and pcs of information. Check out the possibility for yrself n find out how u can be of help and significance to others thru ths opportunity, I promise u I will answer all yr concerns.”
To which I sent another text message, “So what’s the name of your company? This is getting to be suspicious. I do not go to meetings without knowing who I am meeting wit. I’m just asking for one vital information—the name of your company. It’s so basic and professional.”
NO RESPONSE AFTER THAT. By the way, the telephone number is: 09178411869, I repeat 09178411869.
(Original Entry) On 9 November:
While I was on my way home a while ago from the supermarket, I got this kinda interesting phone call from a certain BS who spoke well, and in business-like fashion. I asked him to call me back in 5 minutes, as I would be home by then. He called up an hour later to explain that he was
from a certain company based in the US, and that his company was looking for some key people that its company would employ for their import/export business.
He asked if I was employed at the moment, I told him, yes, I had a number of activities, like running a virtual office and doing freelance research and writing. He said he was impressed, and even found me to be a dynamic person—the right qualifications that they wanted, including the fact that I loved interacting with other people and helping them.
No matter how I asked to find our about his company, he tried to evade giving me a direct answer. Finally, I asked if in this venture I was expected to shell out some money. No, he laughed out, he was offering a job that would be financially rewarding, not one in which I have to invest money. And by the way, he said I was in their shortlist, and said something about prequalification. I asked him to email me, but he said his company was not the type that conducted its major activities online.
I asked who referred me to him, he said something like some sort of headhunters, but he was not sure anymore which of the headhunters they employed. Since he would like to know more about me, he gave me the option to meet him in their office, either in Ortigas or Makati, and yes, in smart casual attire. I agreed to meet him in his office, after office hours he suggested so as not to interfere with my current work. He said that as we are all professionals and that our time was precious, he would assume that I would not be backing out of the appointment. He said to wait for his text message for details of the appointment.
The text message goes this way, “Hi (my full name)! It’s Basil Semilla. I’ll meet u on the soft launching of our 2nd div. on thu 11/15, 630 pm sharp in our corporate ofc at 15th flr, Octagon ctr. in miguel ave. Ortigas, pasig. It’s just bside Linden Suites. (My full name), ths is purely invitational n its not open to everybody. I’ve reserved one slot for u. Kindly rely if u receive this msg. See u n God bless.”
Immediately, there were doubts that came to mind—questions that could detect misrepresentation: (a) he would not give the name of his company, (b) he didn’t ask me to bring my resume, (c) he didn’t know that I was retired, (d) the meeting was supposed to be an interview, not for a soft launch, (e) the interview was supposed to be telling them about myself, not listening about them, (f) meeting was after office hours, (g) his company would not communicate by email, and many more.
Fishy? Think smart. Google search.
I sent him a text message: “Hi, Basil. This acknowledges rcpt of your txt msg. Is your office by the way associated with Pharmanex? If it is please count me out.”
He responded by another text message after half an hour: “Just read yr msg What is pharmanex?”
To which I replied, “Searched the internet which pointd out to a NuSkin enterprise a part of Pharmanex. Oh yes i hv read about NuSkin which are great products but i am not cut our for sales. Can you pls tell me the name of yr company?”
I did not get a response after that.
Dear Readers, you might be interested to read about similar experiences with a company in the 15th Floor, Octagon Center, which has apparently victimized, some say “scammed” a lot of people with their misrepresentations—just to get people come to their office to listen to their sales talk.
Can they not just directly tell the people, “Hi, we sell——, and you might be interested. May we invite you to our office at 15th Floor, Octagon Center…”.
It’s such a waste of time, precious time, to come to a sales presentation, which from the start was in the guise of a job offer. More so, I felt betrayed, almost duped. Imagine, almost grinning from ear to ear, to believe for a while that I got what seemed to be a good job offer, even if I knew in my heart that I loved doing what I am currently involved with.
If the products are legitimate, why entice people through misrepresentation instead of through mention of the merits of the products.
I write about this to say, enough is enough, and people, BEWARE. It’s high time maybe for the company to reassess their strategy, not to victimize/scam people through misrepresentation, or what they might call their innovative marketing strategy. I have even heard of cases when they bad mouthed some bloggers who unravelled their uncanny tactics.
By the way, read BA’s interesting piece, What are they up to?
BA has written the bits and pieces that I missed in this post.
Read some of the bloggers’ experiences, and judge for yourself. Could you be the next?
Maki Edwardo’s The Sunday Phone Call
BA’s Scam? and Questionable Methods
Celeni’s 15F Octagon Building
Tristan Cafe’s Forum
Ana’s The Networking Rant
Quoting Prudence and Madness let me invite “those who also have posts about this issue, just leave a comment and I’ll link you up. It’s good to compile a list of posts related to the topic so that blog readers will be able to have ample source of information aside from the information provided by the companies themselves or by their employees.
(Well, okay, if you’re working for those companies that use these recruitment strategies, you’re also welcome to leave comments and links. )”
Latest Links: Prudence and Madness’ New Recruitment Strategies by Companies.
Ris’ i almost fell for that one: NUskin
Maki Eduardo’s http://noneed4ink.com/?p=322
Shari’s Recruitment Strategy? Beware and Be Aware
NEW UPDATE IS HERE
DISCLAIMER: Author has noticed the posting of this article in full in a Beware of NuSkin Campaign, without Author’s permission. Please note that this act itself is an act of MISREPRESENTATION and a breach of Intellectual Property Rights. This article has been written as a general article to inform and not to be a vehicle of a hate campaign against any individual, entity or organization.
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I am actually a part of Pharmanex/Nuskin.. Bili kayo sa akig online store hehe http://pharmaphil.multiply.com
Magkunwari na lang muna tayo na never nila ako tinawagan at di nila nadale si Dad.
If they really were seeking you out, they should’ve done a background check on you first. They could’ve found out that your son was once called late in the night regarding a youth entrepreneurship program at the SAME VENUE.
So that’s just the fishiest thing, ever. Ano ba talaga ino-offer nila? Ang bomalabs forever ng mga tawag eh.
And after me writing about the calls, they gather the guts to call my own Mom. Great.
[...] They effin’ called my Mom! [...]
i have a feeling someone we know is giving away our cellphone numbers. Just the other day while driving, I received the same call, A second later, lauren who was beside me received a similar call. grabe.
by resorting to this method of “recruiting”, they’ve accomplished nothing but to cast doubt upon their otherwise legitimate product.
i hope this MO story reaches a lot of people. with all the scams going on right now, we need all the smarts we can get. thanks for sharing, sexymom!
Grabe rumaket mga yan. Sweetie asked me to accompany him to a few months ago to something similar. We pretended to be bums just working at home and they immediately lost interest in us. You can actually report them to DTI =)
@noemi – I agree, I think someone’s been giving away our numbers, I’ve been getting weird messages all week and it’s sooo annoying!
if they want to sell, why can’t they do it direct to the point.
i really had a hard time avoiding an ex-colleague when she invited me to join NuSkin years ago. No, not really avoiding her as a person. just avoiding the topic of MLM.
It’s really so funny that he would actually try his trick on a well known blogger. Or is he even aware of you being a blogger? Ano yun? Spam in person?
Alot of people I know have been scammed. It’s awful that some people can actually stomach to feed their children with money they stole from their victims.
BTW, I submitted my first ‘installment’ for FilipinaImages.com
You know what? This also happened to me YESTERDAY. I was at the clinic with a patient when I received that call in my cellphone. I actually can’t understand much of what he’s saying because he seem to talk quick over the “details” and then just slow down when he’s saying buzz words like “job offer”, “expansion”, and “Stanford University”. He mentioned Stanford Univ because I kept asking him what company he’s working for and he answered something gibberish but what I could derive from it is that the company is “affiliated” with Stanford University. Really now? He couldn’t even tell me his name. When I asked him who he was? He muttered something which I couldn’t really understand. Also, I asked where he was able to get my cellphone number and, yes, he also mentioned some headhunter which he also couldn’t recall (sounds eerily familiar). I wasn’t able to talk much because I was with a patient at that time so I just told him if he wanted, he can call me after 15 minutes. He didn’t call back, thank goodness. I already have a suspicion about that call because of what I’ve read in some of the blogs, including Maki’s. Yup, I think we do need to raise an awareness about this kind of recruitment that this company is doing (though I’m not sure if it’s also from the same company as that who called you). I’m thinking of blogging about this already and I’m just looking for the time to do it.
Any other bloggers out there who had similar experiences?
It seems that somebody (a blogger?) is giving away cellphone numbers of bloggers. Hmmm…it’s just that it’s hard to ignore that in the recent days, many bloggers have received similar calls. Something to think about.
oh, can i just add my entry to your growing list of complainants? i haven’t published it yet, but there seems to be a lot of people who are making a living out of annoying people.
buti nalang i did google for the building address before i went to the meeting. i stumbled on BA’s entry. thank goodness for that!
[...] recently, have been having similar experience like the phone call I got yesterday, specifically Ms. Dine’s blog post about how someone from a company whose office is located in the 15th floo…. Some also got to the point that they attended the “interview” like I [...]
Thanks for linking up my post!
Just like in a blog I’ve read, if they’re doing network marketing, we’re doing information networking.
@prudence- I don’t want to be suspicious but I think I might know the source. I don’t have evidence pa unless other bloggers speak out.
Google is a scammer’s worst enemy.
I get around 10 hits about that Sunday Phonecall regularly but recently there’s been an increasing trend in traffic.
I actually had a flamewar with a recruiter from Nuskin who turned out to be a batchmate of mine in Ateneo. He was even threatening me of libel but he just doesn’t make sense because I got most of the post from Ana (The networking rant). Maybe he’s been reading my blog because I posted something about reporting to the Dean and the head of our course about this recruitment style luring students like me during that time that the job is an OJT but it turns not to be like that. That batchmate of mine made truce with me (saying that my post has affected their recruitment) but I haven’t seen him yet. If he continued to spam my blog during that time, I would’ve ordered my brother and my cousins who have connections to beat him up..haha, just wishful thinking :p
Anyways, I hate scams and spammers…and networking will not just work for me.
Many people thanked me about posting about it but I think that company hates me like hell..haha
[...] familiar posts about the issue including mine which Sexymom Dine Racoma posted in her latest post How to Detect Misrepresentation in JOBS (UPDATES) Prudence and Madness’ New Recruitment Strategies by Companies. Maki Eduardo’s The Sunday Phone [...]
finally i finished mine and im all for that ‘information networking’
Who would do that, give away phone numbers? For what? A commission? Can this be reported to DTI or SEC maybe? And text messages at 3am? Wow, that’s harassment.
grabe, it would even turn off people who are seriously looking for work if the companies are not so trustworthy anymore..
My wife received a call from that exact number and exact Basil Semilla. He was actually looking for me. So my wife gave my number thinking that it’s not a scam. I’ve been waiting for his call since then.
when i just graduated i too received a job offer from them and as i understood, it was an interview but it really was just a presentation and an offer if ever i would like to sell their products. This was somewhere in Makati. waste of time.
i blogged about my NU SKIN lolz—uhhhh, i mean experience, just fifteen minutes ago
hoping for a link-back; thanks!
http://magnetic-rose.livejournal.com/523801.html
About my batchmate harassing me, I finally filed a case against him in ADMU.I hope it turns out well. It was well-documented by my blogs and emails anyway.
He has been harassing me for almost a year already. What the heck are those companies doing to fellow Ateneans? Shame on them!
thank God to your blog, im almost victimized. im supposed to go to 15th fl, octagon later after work. until i got this suspicion and searched in the internet about their company, nu skin. the’re f. up, they messed the wrong person. ill cancelling the meeting right now.
Hi Tita. I’m also in Network Marketing and I believe those kind of “strategies” don’t work and besides I don’t like deceiving people to think they are getting a job offer. And it’s so sad that those kind of people give Network Marketing a bad light. T_T
They should not be pushing the business to others who are not interested and whom they “invited” under false pretense. Because it wouldn’t work out well anyway.
It’s not the business. cause the business is good It’s the strategy they use to invite people.
Do not listen to people who are out there to get you for “money”. And who are out there for commissions lang. Take Care.
a former classmate of mine also texted and called me about the same company at the 15th floor octagon building, san miguel avenue, ortigas. i thought at first that it was a good offer, because i know the person.
after our initial conversation, wherein he told me that he was an executive for his company, about their company’s planned expansion in India, and that they were looking for leaders to man their growing client markets. I texted him again, because i just realized i have’nt asked the company name – completely stupid on my part. maybe because i know that person. anyway, he texted me back that he can not reveal the company name as part of the company policy.
it’s a good thing that i had the insight to research about 15th floor octagon building… before going for my meeting with them at 6:30pm. they did not give me any facts to research, but they did give me the address. so i went with that.
it’s also unnerving to find out that it has already been going on for a long time.
but i already had some foresight about the possibility of the company being on networking and sales. that is the only reason i can think of, for them to be this secretive and leading their prospective targets. business-wise, it is shrewd in the positive way. on the other end, its misleading.
but to be honest, he did say that there were no obligations, or that i can say no after seeing what they were offering.
maybe their’s is a legitimate business (i hope so, i have a lot of respect for my former classmate) but the company policy of not revealing the company name and their recruitment process, may have to be revisited.
in the end, i just texted him and said i can not make it because i just realized that i have to focus on what i have right now and wished him well.
wow..thanks so much!! im actually scheduled for an interview with them this weekend..and i got the exact script from them..hmm..i dcided to check them out too for the same reasons u had..good thing i stumbled upon your site..super thankful..God bless you, literally..
Last night, my wife got a similar call from Ji-an Ongpin (09177961157) offering the same part-time job in 15F Ortigas. At least ive read to all this blogs before she get to dress up this morning and warned her that this job is not for her since she is an Interior Design graduate and the job is not in the field of Interior design as I found out this morning from all the blogs and later through confimation from the caller on what company they belong (NSE PHILIPPINES) (the caller didnt give the specific details of the job and just said to come to 15F Octagon Tower). .
.. Reading to all those blogs, Ive noticed that the bloggers havent really investigated on HOW THE CALLERS GOT THE CELLPHONE NOS, NAME, AND SCHOOL graduated. be it high school, college or any school. Maybe the bloggers defending the company at the 15F Octagon tower may shed some light on this – -Im not condemning anyone or any company – just want to know how they get it..
Possible Sources of Information
A. Yearbook Publishers – This is my primary suspect since Ive read on most blogs that they got the details from the school they graduated. And they knew that the one they are calling are fresh graduates… (Verified with the school that my wife has graduated that the school always asks first of company details before giving out graduated students records and details.
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C. Other Means
I again solicit information to shed light on how those callers/recruiters got the contact name,school and current details. This maybe a case of leaking privacy information to companies of yearbook publishers IF THIS IS ONE OF THE CULPRITS
i am an ECE student in PUP and i want to share to you my experience about “part-time job” scam of some company.
last night (january 17, 2007) a man named kent abarico (mobile # 09063104440) called me and told me that he was a representative of a “multinational company” (what a BIG WORD—-MULTINATIONAL). he told me that they are hiring part time students to join their company NSE INTERNATIONAL which is said to be at the 15th floor of octagon building in pasig city (he told me that it’s just near mega mall). he also told me flattering words “ms.blablabla referred you to me and said that you are intelligent, competitive and hard working” and so our company is interested blablabla. the work description was human resource development consultancy. (i don’t even know what type of job it is) since i was curious about that fishy thing, i surf the net about nse international and i found several blogs that cleared my mind on how this scam goes. it was more like convincing me to go there and get involved in some st*p*d activity which their company is trying to put in. you’ll go there, then they will ask you to give at least 300 contacts (additional persons to be scammed) and you’ll do the same thing that they do SCAM PEOPLE. thankfully, i have read blogs in the net about the same thing so i decided not to go there and not to entertain calls or text from kent abarico (mobile # 09063104440). learn from the experience of others so that like me, you won’t be into same kind of scam stuffs.
dis very day…jan.30, 2008…sumbody also called me…he was using dis number 09202431729 ( nagpakilala bilang Joel Valesteros- not sure if it was really his name of course)...he kept on telling me about a part tym job in there company- “Pharmanex”..i thought it was sumwat pharmacy or wat…dey offer big salray per week, 6-8 hours lng…sbi nila, he got my number from a list of students from different university n binigay ng head nya pra konatakin daw nya…it was 9pm, obviously not an office hour, tpos ngatatawag xa pra my mrecruit…
well, napapaisip nrin ako kc 1. ndi msbi un definite name ng company, 2. i asked der office address, he said in Ortigas..un lng…3.i asked the contact number or even email address of der company, sbi s number nlng nya kontakin…anu ba un db? wat kind of BIG FAMOUS company is dat..based p daw s U.S. tpos alng email add??? 4. he dont asked my course or wat,panu malalaman kung applicable b un ggwin ko dun or ndi.. 5. cnbi nya n executive blah blah un position.wat dah, anu ggwin ng isang estudyante s gnun position…
just beware nlng..kz he knew my whole name and school…woi…and he asked me to gave number of my friends n pwede irecommend s knya…wel, ndi ako ngsabi ng any confirmation, diretso ako dito s computer pra isearch about wat is his company..to my surprise, i read about dis..wel, dmi n pla nila naloloko…and bka nababasa nrin nila ang mga ito…ingat ingat lng tau lahat..mga modus operandi nila.. ang daming taong gustong manloko for der personal reasons..and kung cnu man din un ngbibigay o kung san man nila nlalaman un number nmin, wag kau mandamay…dmi ngpapakahirap mgsumikap pra mrating ang mga panagrap nila in good ways…
lets pray always for everything..
Watch out for their other office in Makati, 26th floor Trafalgar Plaza.
im proud to be part of that company because at a very young age, iv helped several youngsters and iv been to different countries like singapore, malaysia, las vegas (for free) because of the trainings that were conducted there.. prior to accepting the opportunity, iv already expcted that its not for everyone.. but then i believe that only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go..
Thank you so much!! Muntik na ako dun.. lol.. I suppose to go to that meeting tomorrow but after I read your articles because I am looking “kung san ba ang trafalgar square sa Makati” and I found your article which is so similar on what I have experienced yesterday. And “buti nalang” I have read this articles kung hindi, baka nabiktima din ako.. Hehe.. So for the people who created this articles, thank you and you saved me. Again, thank you and more power! Ang galing!
I perfectly understand from where all of you guys are coming from. Let me just clarify, it is not company policy that our members won’t mention a company name, we do mention our name…which is NSE Philippines and we do have divisions within the company, and we have an option to mention that instead. Yes, it is a marketing strategy much like what traditional businesses do when they think it’s more appropriate. It isn’t misrepresentation, it is just allowing people to have a chance to look at the whole business opportunity package, free from UNFOUNDED/MISGUIDED/INCOMPLETE pre-conceptions about the company from a minority. We always reiterate that the opportunity IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. I myself was very negative about network marketing before I joined, but thanks to their strategy, I was given a chance to SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE. Only people who are unsure of themselves would avoid looking at all facets before making conclusions. The OJT thing or job offer script is NOT a company policy, what we offer is mainly a Business Opportunity that’s why we stress and ask, in the first place, if one is OPEN to EXPLORE OTHER POSIBILITIES. Because, if the answer the answer is NO, an appointment would NOT be insisted. But most Filipinos kasi say YES when actually they mean NO or NOT SURE. Nevertheless, granted that you gave into the appointment. Definitely, the presentation IS NOT entirely a waste of time. All data are backed up by credible research institutions which, of course, I can’t mention here. Moreso, at the end of it, NO ONE is COERCED to do something HE DOES NOT WANT TO DO. It is entirely UP TO YOU. Parang pag nag-aapply ka rin ng job. Pag punta mo ba ng company, sure ka ba na you really want to join it before going there? Di ba most often than not, you’ll know more about the company when you’re already there and then, you will be in a BETTER POSITION of deciding wether you’ll join the company or not. Ganun rin sa min, we want to give people a chance to hear our side first before they decide. For those of you who opted not to look at it. I dare you to take a chance, look at the opportunity and aftewards, tell me if you already knew beforehand most of what you’ll hear/see. Most likely, at least 80% of the info. you’ll get would be new to you. I guess you can trust yourself to make intelligent decisions afterwards…or can’t you?
to robert tracy:
You left the same comment in my blog post. And it seems that you’ve particularly worded the comment to be copy-pasted in every blog you find that speak about this questionable recruitment strategy that some MLM companies have been employing. I suggest that next time, write more appropriate comments by reading the post first before submitting your comment. And go get your own blog.
Well, prudence, thanks for the advice. You may deduce that I’m doing some DAMAGE CONTROL because your blog and a host of others are quite affecting our business. And it is unfair that you say you’re doing information networking AGAINST (?) a very LEGITIMATE business such as network marketing. (Note that our company is very different from the pyramid scams that have ceased to exist after a couple of years in operation.) If you’re not interested in it, we respect that. Again, the business is not for everyone. But please, keep it to yourselves so that others who are more open-minded would be given a chance to decide for themselves and not with your BIASES. The bottomline is business ethics. We are NOT doing anything ILLEGAL. Be prudent.
to robert tracy:
Your choice of words is particularly interesting…damage control.
You do not tell bloggers who have had experience with some MLM companies trying to recruit them to shut up. You face the issues being raised. Having received a lot of comments from those who’re from MLM companies, I’m yet to encounter a comment which confronted the issue head on. Most had resorted to focusing on the anti-MLM sentiments and not on the anti-questionable recruitment strategy being employed by SOME MLM companies. If you’ve been reading carefully (and this has been repeated by several bloggers who have already posted about this), nobody’s questioning the legitimacy of your businesses. We are questioning the METHOD by which you RECRUIT potential members.
Damages should not be controlled, rather the mistakes should be corrected. Make sure first that your employees do not employ questionable recruitment practices instead of advising bloggers to shut up about their experiences.
to Ms. Dine:
Thanks Ms. Dine for notifying me. I’ve already posted a reply, which is rather repetitive since he also posts the SAME comment in my blog (and probably in other blogs too). Hehehe.
SexyMom: in BA’s blog, too but BA refuses to reopen it and post comments. You know how he has been attacked.
[...] It looked like that the compilation of experiences by bloggers is getting the attention of the MLM companies. And employees have started to do the rounds of blogs who’re speaking negatively about their companies and leaving comments in defense of their companies. Actually, one left the same comment in two different blogs (see this one and this one). [...]
a while ago a lady named Jenette Savanilla called me and told me about that recruitment thingy, i doubt it but i tried to listen to her… i just pretend that i’m really interested…then after that i searched for the address in the internet and there, i saw some of your reactions and comments from different blogs… she gave me the same address and asked me to wear a smart casual attire. She even know my secondary highschool. She said I was recommended by my former school… thank God i searched the net or else i’ll be the next victim of that company…
thank you for this post, and google!
saved me a lot of time haha
Ey I also got the same call from this Cryvina Alvarez, who said the same exact thing…Stupid of me to believe her… Masama lang sa loob kc we have the same religion and i wasnt expecting this that she would lie and trick other people into goin .
her number is 09166550245, Good people dont deserve to be scammed..
OMG
thanks to the new technology that i was able to googled this NSE Multinational. I was saved by the SCAM
we experienced the same “strategy” they used to persuade us just to join in their networking… SHAME on you
A gay/guy named Harold Laxinto called me and said this line (i can clearly remember his line)”I got your number through our database from your” (my former school)at first he insisted that it was a part time job & asked me “what year are you now?” “i answered him i just graduated from college”... with his following words of “oh! that’s good,that’s good, what course?” he asked, so i answered him “management with entrepreneurial focus”, “you are the one we are looking and this company really fits your course”, he added, this multinational company is an American based company and is now hiring applicants, i asked him “what position?” he answered, “for now i cannot give you an exact position because it is a big company is really in need of hiring a lot of employees.” he also told me of the salary ranging from Php 15,000-20,000. and asked me “are you interested with our company”? i answered “can i think about it first?” then followed with “ok! in case that you are interested with our company you can contact me at 0915-3671160 and i can meet you in Ortigas.
I WARNED YOU GUYS DON’T BE DECEIVE BY THEIR FLOWERY WORDS OF PROMISING YOU TO HAVE A SALARY OF THIS AMOUNT OR SOMETHING YOU CAN EARN AS MUSH AS THIS AMOUNT… THIS IS A NETWORKING
for US who were fooled by this incidence,
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“LESSONS LEARNED
I was invited 4 times already. I’ve read these blogs on the 3rd time, so I declined. But when I’ve got the 4th invitation, I was so curious. So I decided to take a look. Well the presentation is not bad, it is actually inspiring. It is something that we have to hear. But then I thought,will I waste my UP education for this? Well it is worth my time. I’ve nothing to lose. I tried it. And now.. Am I victimizing people? NO. Am I earning money from a scam? Absolutely NO. I’m a UP Law Student. I know what’s a scam or what’s not.
For those who are saying that this is a scam, join us, and do a thorough investigation,find evidences that will say that the company is a scam. Well that’s basically what I did – but it was a failure. So I’m challenging you… Find the TRUTH.
Thanks to google.A guy named dandee de guzman was the one who called me..(using sun cell number 09228541284(April 7).una p lng I smell something fishy na that’s why I searched here sa google and nbasa ko mga blogs..new office nila sa 26F trafalgar..d ako ngpnta kc kaduda duda ang business nila…buti n lng ngbbsa muna ako..
I, too, just recently had this experience and I agree with everybody who say that the methods employed by this company are dubious. True, they may be a legitimate company, but their recruitment methods are highly suspicious, most particularly, the manner in which they acquired our names and numbers. I personally feel that my privacy has been breached by members of this company who cannot even specify properly as to how they acquired information about us. To any members of these companies blatantly attacked by bloggers all around this information highway, you should be ashamed.
well, i never really knew the company until someone called me on my phone just this day. Well, she was direct in telling me that I was referred by my college friend and the name of the company. I sensed something fishy because of being “secretive” so after the call ended, I googled the company’s name at once.
BTW, I’ve read in a forum that they use a “script” when calling to people. I guess that’s true because some things that you’ve written about your conversation were the same as mine.
And though I set an appointment with her (my friend would be with me), I made a decision not to join probably because I won’t be able to sell ecpensive products. I don’t know rich people who are willing to shell 600 or 800 pesos for a toothpaste.
Think of our economy.
anyway, i don’t care if they say that I could earn large bucks. What’s more important is that I like my job. Besides, I wouldn’t waste my education (degree and school attended).
hey, i’d just like to thank you for posting this.:) helped LOADS. i got the same call, from a different person though. and yes, i googled—i thought something was really fishy. now i know. thanks.
I just receive the same call awhile ago.
The words are almost exactly as what the topmost part of this page says.
During the call I told him that I am coming because he said that I was referred by my batch mate from college.
I try to contact the person he used to confirm it, but I don’t know if he still uses the same phone number.
Good thing I try to search for the name of the one who call me. c”,)
Should I still text him that I am not going anymore?
I look for the contacts of my schoolmate back in college to know if he knows the guy.
I found out that he really know the guy and they really are going to meet. But I found out that the business is to sell their product. That’s why I just told them that I’m not interested.
I can’t even sell anything in my own business that is why I have people selling computers for me. c”,)
BTW, if you have computer needs, visit my shop at shoppesville greenhills.
Way back in college, I was invited by one of my schoolmates who happen to have been fooled (and hoping to fool me as well) to join into one of these “Business Opportunity” (as the victims love to call it). The venue was also somewhere in Ortigas. If my memory serves me right, they referred to the meeting as BOM, perhaps meaning Business Opportunity Meeting, I didn’t bother asking or they may have mentioned it while I wasn’t paying attention. Out of curiosity I agreed to attend the meeting, he pays for the transportation expenses after all. The speakers arrived in luxury vehicles, Mustang, Jaguar, expensively setup Ford Expedition, BMW, Mercedes… you name it and it is there. It looked to me like it is part of their strategy to have all the newcomers standing outside to witness the arrival of those expensive cars while all those people who have been fooled in the preceding meetings are already lined up at the cashier’s window inside the office. When we were asked to get inside and take a seat, the speakers took turn upstage telling everyone how expensive their cars are, most of them boring. I still remember that guy boasting that the hub caps of his Expedition is more expensive than the whole house of middle class family. The main speaker took the stage and began to crack jokes that got everyone laughing. The guy was so funny that he could have made a good job as a standup comedian in one of Allan K’s comedy bar. The meeting was fun but not fun enough to convince me to join. The subject of his speech was to earn an overwhelming income without selling anything. All that needs to be done is invest PHP1xxxx and convince two other people to do the same. Sounds easy, if everyone on Earth is a moron. The speaker said we could buy ourselves a European car in less than 4 months or much shorter if we just need a Japanese brand. When the meeting was over, the victims who had just given their money to cashier would approach the new attendees (fraction of which is a bunch of “would be victims”) and gave their best shot of deception. Finally, I left the building with my schoolmate (a.k.a. recruiter) as he would endlessly convince me to join. For many times I just said, “Let me think” when what I really wanted to say was “Go to India and learn how to hypnotize people”. He used to say, “I am going to buy a Honda in 2 months time and buy my dream Jaguar a few months later”. I was 3rd in college and when I graduated more than 2 years later, he was still riding the public transport.
Recently, I was called by this guy named dandee de guzman, same guy mentioned previously in this blog site. Looks hard to me this time because I heard that this guy, dandee, is going to make you sell some stuff. Whatever it is, I bet it is going to be an overpriced stuff, like that toothpaste for PHP800 mentioned by another blogger earlier. I know several people who have fallen victims to this scam. It is going to waste your money, time and at worst your life.
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ung friend ko pinpunta di ako.. kxo dmi silng mali sa strategies weh.. tlgang legal ang company kxo di nila sinasabi kung ano ung cost ng high wage.. sabi sa mga nbbsa ko magbe2nta daw.. sa paanong way nmn un.. feeling ko 22ruan mambola.. tama ba? nyahahaha.. ano un sa mga calls magbe2nta prang call center o personal…
i just got the same call 2day and so did my friends they said that they were looking for 2-3 people because they are planning to expand. (how can you expand with 2-3 people?) haha! fresh grads beware they will use your course to gain your interest in our case as it students they claimed that they are an it company name NSE (just NSE) when i googled the address that the caller gave me i was surprised to have found this thread luckily i did! thank you so much to the author of this article!
godspeed!
Will it hurt kung makipag meet kayo?
Para maintindihan nyo na isa itong business, hindi employment. Para malaman nyo narin kung ano yung mga sinasabi nyo.
Kung mag Google search kayo, always remember that
opinions are cheap, everybody has one. Look for facts.
I HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE
i ac2aly calld GLOBE TELECOM nd told dem my story hoping dey cud help me cure d confuxn (nd suspixn)by simply confirming d name of d subscriber of dis number: 0917 835 1547…
d caller’s/recruiter’s name is “Ramy” (or so she said)...
un42n8ly, dey (Globe) sed in4m8xns bwt deyr post-paid subscribers cannot b disclosd (even f i’m also a subscriber)...
i’m workin’ on a way to dscover d name f d subscriber…
i might ac2aly nid a warrant 4 dat bt i myt also be able to find sumthng on the net…
i’ll kip y’all posted.
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I have few things to say:
to those affiliated with Nu Skin Enterprise, Philippines: you have a serious problem in your recruitment process or whatever you call such activities. it’s very unprofessional.
to those who are not affiliated with Nu Skin Enterprise, Philippines: their marine mud is great, you should try it. and i love their lufra, makes my skin feel so soft. anyway, do your research properly.
Misinformation may be harder to pull now in the information age, especially in the age of the blogs. Right former comrades?
Let the hunt begin!
As site you would all be interested in
http://bewareofnuskin.blogspot.com
Sexy Mom: Hello, Rolly
I have noted that you have posted my 2 articles in full without my
permission, and I would like to request you to please take everything
out of your blog, and limit it to only a link if you want to.
Please note that this act itself is an act of MISREPRESENTATION and a breach of Intellectual Property Rights. This article has been written as a general article to inform and not to be a vehicle of a hate campaign against any individual, entity or organization.
Thanks a lot, Rolly
i also received a call from this 15th floor octagon bldg scam.. i got a fone call late evening today (07/05/08) telling me that i was one of those persons who are qualified for the position of “something” in their company and that they want me to go to their address blah blah blah.. good thing i searched the internet and came across this post.. thank you for saving me..
Hi Dine,
Thank you for the heads-up. I already edited the blog and left a link instead. My apologies for that
Sexy Mom: Thanks a lot Rolly! Much appreciated.
well before you judge if its a scam or not you should see it first.Or if your really sucessful maybe you dont look for other opportunities anyway its not for all.no one force you to come,being negatve is up to you and goodluck for attracting negative thoughts because your the one making your life dont blame anyone why your not succesful coz at the end of the day the result in your life is just what you attract on your thinking,feeling and your action..
I just receive the same call awhile ago.
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The words are almost exactly d same and the address is also d same.
a girl called me her neme is ella garcia.. and she told me that a person named “magtibay” (i cant remember her first name) reffered me to her company… but i dont know hu magtibay is…!! i told my self somethings wrong..
i have a review for my board exam 2morow coz im a fresh nursing graduate… dey told me i can go after office hour.. interview after office hour??? duh
and they didnt ask 4 my resume, for it is a job interview… i felt curius and think somethings fishy so i searched the net and find this site… i txt d girl hu called me and confronts her…
thnks it helped a lot…
btw… did u go 2 der building wen dey call u??
OH MY GOSH. I received that kind of call just minutes ago. I became suspicious then, for who would call at 8:30PM? Gosh, thanks for this blog.
wow. hi sexy mom! was it just a co-incidence that your surname is my middle name? hmm.. anyway.. good thing i’ve read your post.. thanks. i got the same phone call. a caller named “ANA VICTORIA” called me last wed. (8/20/08) and told me the same stuffs about a so-called “meeting/appointment” at 15/F Ocatgon Center, San Miguel Ave. Ortigas. she talked so fast that I was not able to understand even the name of their company. and so i texted her and asked for the infos again and requirements. she replied, “NS ENTERPRISES, just bring a valid id.” that’s it. WTF?? a recruitment process without even requiring pertinent papers. that’s when i decided to surf the net and research about their “company” profile. and this is where i landed. thank you so much. and thank God i “googled”. LOL
oh btw.. i forgot. this is the number of “MS. ANA VICTORIA” in case you guys are interested about their so-called business proposal. 09152165575.
Hi! i was also a victim of their false recruitment strategy. After experiencing it again yesterday, i decided to post my experience and comment about it. Hope people would become more aware of this.
My post is at: http://pusangkalye.com/2008/09/09/beware-of-pharmanex-nuskin-recruitment-strategy/